National Health Insurance

[bcmaui]

On a different note I find it really arrogant and selfish that so many people in this country are whining about how horrible our health care system is, or how ~15% of the population being uninsured(without a qualifier as to why they are uninsured) is such an unbelievably horribly thing. Lets look around at how many countries on this planet actually do have people dieing EVERY FUCKING DAY, not because their countries health care system only insures 85% of the population but because their country has NO FUCKING HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AT FUCKING ALL.

What is better - a system where currently 90% of our citizens are covered and doctors make the decision or adopt a system where 100% of all in the country are covered regardless of citizenship, but the care you receive will be subject to veto and/or delay by a federal health official? Sound like a magnet to attract even more non-citizens here and raise the cost and lower the quality across the board. And adding free abortions for all to the mix? And free Viagra pills? Where does it stop? I personally don't have the problem with abortion in the first 4 months, but man up, if you get a chick pregnant, pay for the damn abortion yourself. If the women's health is at risk due to the pregnancy or she was a victim of rape I have no problem helping her out if she can not provide for herself.

Our dilemma is that we currently cover 100% of everyone here - no one is denied health care coverage. One can walk into any emergency room in this country and receive care. But costs are spinning out of control, this is being abused in many places and it is not sustainable. You can adopt a system as currently proposed which will allow the government to begin to deny or ration coverage to get costs under control (and adding a new layer of cost at the same time). I think there is a better way.

[fastdogbrewing]

I don't like this plan that is being proposed, not a bit, and I voted for the d-bag, but you know what, they are at least working on something and hopefully cooler heads will prevail and they will work hard on this thing. It won't be perfect and it might fail, but I doubt it will send us into the stone age.

I am so sick of this attitude of "At least they are doing something". Change for the sake of change is not good. That is how we got W in office in the first place. Cooler head will not prevail, the douschebags in charge all think the same way and have no problem strong arming the minions below them into compliance.

The only reason people think the club in charge now is better than the last club is because those people agree with the propaganda being spewed, and they believe it.

[fastdogbrewing]

What is better - a system where currently 90% of our citizens are covered and doctors make the decision or adopt a system where 100% of all in the country are covered regardless of citizenship, but the care you receive will be subject to veto and/or delay by a federal health official? Sound like a magnet to attract even more non-citizens here and raise the cost and lower the quality across the board. And adding free abortions for all to the mix? And free Viagra pills? Where does it stop? I personally don't have the problem with abortion in the first 4 months, but man up, if you get a chick pregnant, pay for the damn abortion yourself. If the women's health is at risk due to the pregnancy or she was a victim of rape I have no problem helping her out if she can not provide for herself.

Our dilemma is that we currently cover 100% of everyone here - no one is denied health care coverage. One can walk into any emergency room in this country and receive care. But costs are spinning out of control, this is being abused in many places and it is not sustainable. You can adopt a system as currently proposed which will allow the government to begin to deny or ration coverage to get costs under control (and adding a new layer of cost at the same time). I think there is a better way.

OK, since you seem to have missed my point in that rant think about this. Of all those people breaking into this country a fair number of them are probably doing so because they can get access to free health care here in the states, and they probably can't get ANY health care in their country. Considering how bad health care is in countries that are our neighbors, to the point we have large groups of Dr volunteering to help for free, WTF are so many people whining so much about how much of a crisis it is here and how horrible health care is. Some of these self-entitle douchenozzles never consider that fact that we are lucky to have any health care system at all, some countries do not.

[bcmaui]

The only reason people think the club in charge now is better than the last club is because those people agree with the propaganda being spewed, and they believe it.

The folks that still can't figure out how to close Guantanimo Bay (a significant campaign issue I recall) are going to fix all the defects in our health care system by nationalizing it?

I'm not buying it.

This is the same group that passes a $1 trillion (that $1 million times $1 million, or a million dollars a day for 2,700 years) 1,200 page "stimulus" bill into law without even reading the damn thing.

It's a power and control grab on a massive scale and is very concerning.

I wasn't thrilled with the last administration and this one shaping up to be even worse.

[bcmaui]

OK, since you seem to have missed my point in that rant think about this. Of all those people breaking into this country a fair number of them are probably doing so because they can get access to free health care here in the states, and they probably can't get ANY health care in their country. Considering how bad health care is in countries that are our neighbors, to the point we have large groups of Dr volunteering to help for free, WTF are so many people whining so much about how much of a crisis it is here and how horrible health care is. Some of these self-entitle douchenozzles never consider that fact that we are lucky to have any health care system at all, some countries do not.

I do agree with you and get your point.

[fastdogbrewing]

The only reason people think the club in charge now is better than the last club is because those people agree with the propaganda being spewed, and they believe it.

The folks that still can't figure out how to close Guantanimo Bay (a significant campaign issue I recall) are going to fix all the defects in our health care system by nationalizing it?

I'm not buying it.

This is the same group that passes a $1 trillion (that $1 million times $1 million, or a million dollars a day for 2,700 years) 1,200 page "stimulus" bill into law without even reading the damn thing.

It's a power and control grab on a massive scale and is very concerning.

Yes it is concerning, it's also concerning that there are people who think this club in charge can do no wrong, just like there were/are people who thought the last club in charge could/did no wrong. The blind allegiance and ignorance of the people in this country to what our government is doing and how our government is run is the really frightening thing.

[bleachcola]

It was also said that by 'cola awhile back in this thread that most people have insurance and if they don't it is a choice, come on. I guess if you mean eating or having health insurance a choice. Sometimes people fill a certain role in life and no matter how hard they work that is their role and often times that doesn't garner much money or a job that pays benefits. Will making health insurance more affordable get that guy to buy health insurance, probably not, but making it more affordable will get guys like me (entrepreneurs, small business owners, etc.) to buy it and not work for the man and be the man instead. You make it sound like working for a corporation that offers benefits is the pinnacle, but some guy had to start that corporation and barriers to entry, like expensive healthcare, make it hard for guys to make that leap to start a business.

So take your "choice" comment and think about it.

I'm not promoting it as a pinnacle, I'm saying it's a safety net. If you are incapable of making enough money outside of a corporation (starting your own small business, being an artist, etc) to afford health insurance, you always have the option of working for a corporation or the government or joining the military. So I stand by my statement that anyone normal person can get health insurance with our current system in place. You just have to weigh your options and make some decisions.

[Henning1966]

Ok this thread is getting tense time for some politics from another source. This is old and also NSFW but it still fits. If only more people would have listen to him maybe we could have avoided some of the problems now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaS2bRGS86c