What Caused Global Warming Before The Industrial Revolution?

[bleachcola]

I have yet to participate in any global warming debate (this one included) where anyone espouses a position of, "Blind allegiance to Al". Further, Gore has something to say about the issue and despite your feelings about the man and his politics, it ain't all bullshit. I submit that some people on the conservative side of the global warming debate simply like to use Gore as a whipping boy because they know there still exists a very strong anti-Clinton/Gore sentiment in this country and can use it to muster support for their position, right or wrong.

I think it's just human nature for folks to put a face on a movement. Our brains are wired for classification of that kind. Sort of how the left has made Rush Limbaugh the face of the angry conservative white man movement.

[bcmaui]

I have yet to participate in any global warming debate (this one included) where anyone espouses a position of, "Blind allegiance to Al". Further, Gore has something to say about the issue and despite your feelings about the man and his politics, it ain't all bullshit. I submit that some people on the conservative side of the global warming debate simply like to use Gore as a whipping boy because they know there still exists a very strong anti-Clinton/Gore sentiment in this country and can use it to muster support for their position, right or wrong.

That may be true, but you fail to mention that Carbon Trading is a business venture of Mr. Gore's and he is personally profiting from this. The "Cap and Trade" may be a very lucrative money maker for Mr. Gore and that creates additional doubts in my mind that he is being completely sincere in this matter. I prefer that when those in the political class retire from public office and they seek to make money in the private sector, it should not be as a result of new legislation that they can have their cronies push through. And a private business founded on the rights to sell rations is very different than selling something tangible that you have to create and market in the traditional manner.

[bleachcola]

So I guess we all agree that the only way for humans to decrease their carbon output is to change their lifestyles rather than enact new legislation. In other words, humans will not decrease their carbon output. Global Warming is here to stay and we need to learn how to live with it. Fuck the polar bears. And sell your beach homes.

[bcmaui]

Fuck the polar bears.

There are estimated to be 5 times more Polar Bears now (25,000) than there were in the 1950's (5,000). Nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with enacting hunting restrictions.

[fastdogbrewing]

I have yet to participate in any global warming debate (this one included) where anyone espouses a position of, "Blind allegiance to Al". Further, Gore has something to say about the issue and despite your feelings about the man and his politics, it ain't all bullshit. I submit that some people on the conservative side of the global warming debate simply like to use Gore as a whipping boy because they know there still exists a very strong anti-Clinton/Gore sentiment in this country and can use it to muster support for their position, right or wrong.

That may be true, but you fail to mention that Carbon Trading is a business venture of Mr. Gore's and he is personally profiting from this. The "Cap and Trade" may be a very lucrative money maker for Mr. Gore and that creates additional doubts in my mind that he is being completely sincere in this matter. I prefer that when those in the political class retire from public office and they seek to make money in the private sector, it should not be as a result of new legislation that they can have their cronies push through. And a private business founded on the rights to sell rations is very different than selling something tangible that you have to create and market in the traditional manner.

Funny how the liberals were all pissed off about Cheney and Bush having ties to the oil industry, but none of them have a problem with Gore having ties with the Carbon trading industry.

They're all a bunch of corrupt scumbags, and they will make fortunes off of us.

[bleachcola]

Fuck the polar bears.

There are estimated to be 5 times more Polar Bears now (25,000) than there were in the 1950's (5,000). Nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with enacting hunting restrictions.

I don't know why people use them as an example for the negative impact on certain species. I do know however that a polar bear would rip my fucking face off if we were locked in the same room. So fuck em.

[bcmaui]

Funny how the liberals were all pissed off about Cheney and Bush having ties to the oil industry, but none of them have a problem with Gore having ties with the Carbon trading industry. They're all a bunch of corrupt scumbags, and they will make fortunes off of us.

Gore already made his fortune from what his Daddy (who was also a Senator and a strong supporter of segregation) left him when he passed away - and a good portion of this wealth was created from Occidental Petroleum stock. Gore Jr. got in on the ground floor at Google, which ending up being a very wise decision, but you wonder if that was an opportunity that the average person could have had? I have no problem with folks making money in the stock market, unless they are given preferential access or are granted opportunities to purchase/obtain shares at a much lower price than the average person because they are politically connected.

And there was never a mention of Gore's fast tracking a federal land sale to a company that his family owns stock in. This single sale of land tripled the US oil reserves of that company according to this article:

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=468

[TapItGood]

Funny how the liberals were all pissed off about Cheney and Bush having ties to the oil industry, but none of them have a problem with Gore having ties with the Carbon trading industry.

What? You mean everybody wasn't pissed that the Bush administration fabricated WMD intelligence to invade an oil rich country? Did I miss something in the Clinton Administration? Did they fabricate intelligence to invade a Carbon rich country? Wasn't it the conservative right that wanted to impeach "Slick Willy" for getting a BJ?