Re: National Health Insurance

Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:05 pm

Dirk McLargeHuge wrote:True, but if this plan passes, your employer's coverage, and the supplemental coverage you enjoy now will be considered income, and taxed appropriately. Congratulations on the raise!

It was pretty clear in last night's speech there is the intention to now consider all health insurance premuims paid as taxable income to the individual. This does not apply to only the top 5% of wage earners, but anyone with health insurance will be now be paying additonal taxes. Look at your paystub to see how much your employer is paying for health insurance (if at all) and add to that whatever you are personally having deducted from your check at this time tax free to pay for health insurance (additional coverage for yourself, spouse, kids, etc.). That total will be added to your other income at the end of the year and it will be taxable. Even though the National Health Care "public option" is currently not scheduled to start until 2013, I would expect these new taxes to start immediately. Obama was very clear last that you are currently receiving a federal subsidy at this time if you have health insurance and that must stop.

It currently is a tax-free benefit if either you or your employer pay for health insurance. The idea behind this is to encourage employers and individuals to have health insurance. Previously if you and/or your employer pay into to a health insurance plan at this time you are helping with the nation's health care safety net and that should be rewarded by not taxing that expense. Reminds me of when they started making it possible to tax Social Security distributions as regular income many years ago. Is your ability to write off your mortgage interest next?
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Re: National Health Insurance

Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:29 pm

On a different note I find it really arrogant and selfish that so many people in this country are whining about how horrible our health care system is, or how ~15% of the population being uninsured(without a qualifier as to why they are uninsured) is such an unbelievably horribly thing. Lets look around at how many countries on this planet actually do have people dieing EVERY FUCKING DAY, not because their countries health care system only insures 85% of the population but because their country has NO FUCKING HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AT FUCKING ALL.

I love getting into these debates, but every now you need to bring a reality check. We are a bunch of selfish, arrogant, fat, self-entitled, greedy, shitbags in this country and whining and complaining about something that is still better in this country than a SIGNIFICANT portion of the rest of the planet makes me sick. Before you whine again about how horrible things are here, take a moment and appreciate how amazing things are here compared to many other places in the world.
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Re: National Health Insurance

Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:30 pm

fastdogbrewing wrote:On a different note I find it really arrogant and selfish that so many people in this country are whining about how horrible our health care system is, or how ~15% of the population being uninsured(without a qualifier as to why they are uninsured) is such an unbelievably horribly thing. Lets look around at how many countries on this planet actually do have people dieing EVERY FUCKING DAY, not because their countries health care system only insures 85% of the population but because their country has NO FUCKING HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AT FUCKING ALL.

I love getting into these debates, but every now you need to bring a reality check. We are a bunch of selfish, arrogant, fat, self-entitled, greedy, shitbags in this country and whining and complaining about something that is still better in this country than a SIGNIFICANT portion of the rest of the planet makes me sick. Before you whine again about how horrible things are here, take a moment and appreciate how amazing things are here compared to many other places in the world.


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Re: National Health Insurance

Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:32 pm

fastdogbrewing wrote:On a different note I find it really arrogant and selfish that so many people in this country are whining about how horrible our health care system is, or how ~15% of the population being uninsured(without a qualifier as to why they are uninsured) is such an unbelievably horribly thing. Lets look around at how many countries on this planet actually do have people dieing EVERY FUCKING DAY, not because their countries health care system only insures 85% of the population but because their country has NO FUCKING HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AT FUCKING ALL.

I love getting into these debates, but every now you need to bring a reality check. We are a bunch of selfish, arrogant, fat, self-entitled, greedy, shitbags in this country and whining and complaining about something that is still better in this country than a SIGNIFICANT portion of the rest of the planet makes me sick. Before you whine again about how horrible things are here, take a moment and appreciate how amazing things are here compared to many other places in the world.

I agree. We have it pretty good right now. Will we be better afterwards? Dunno. Jury's still out.
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Re: National Health Insurance

Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:40 pm

OK, back to being one of those arrogant assholes that argues about this.

Why is health care in this country at crisis point? What is wrong with it? How many of the 15% of the population is uninsured because they chose not to? How many of the 15% of the population are actually citizens, and how many of those that are not citizens are following the rules? Why is it our government is promoting the idea of universal health care, but not doing anything to provide universal health care? Why is it people can't see the different between universal health care and universal health insurance? Why can't people see that these universal health insurance plans being promoted by our government are not improvements but simply more of the same shit?
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Re: National Health Insurance

Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:44 pm

If they would just focus on the problem (healthcare is too expensive) and not trying to figure out a way to socialize it or provide it for everyone it would be so much better. That is my only complaint with healthcare, it costs too damn much.

It was also said that by 'cola awhile back in this thread that most people have insurance and if they don't it is a choice, come on. I guess if you mean eating or having health insurance a choice. Sometimes people fill a certain role in life and no matter how hard they work that is their role and often times that doesn't garner much money or a job that pays benefits. Will making health insurance more affordable get that guy to buy health insurance, probably not, but making it more affordable will get guys like me (entrepreneurs, small business owners, etc.) to buy it and not work for the man and be the man instead. You make it sound like working for a corporation that offers benefits is the pinnacle, but some guy had to start that corporation and barriers to entry, like expensive healthcare, make it hard for guys to make that leap to start a business.

So take your "choice" comment and think about it.

I don't like this plan that is being proposed, not a bit, and I voted for the d-bag, but you know what, they are at least working on something and hopefully cooler heads will prevail and they will work hard on this thing. It won't be perfect and it might fail, but I doubt it will send us into the stone age.
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Re: National Health Insurance

Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:45 pm

Another comment, why is it Obama is pimping these health care reforms in Congress and mandates from the people, when he doesn't seem to know what they say or care what they say and the polls show that the disapproval rating over health care reform has passed the 50% mark?

This government is just like the last. They just want a bunch of crap and really don't give a shit if we want it, or if it will actually make our lives better. It's all about the lobbyists, the bragging rights, and the next election. This government is going to do more financial damage than the last, and quicker. I wonder what the next government will change to top this government. :roll:
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Re: National Health Insurance

Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:46 pm

BrewBum wrote:If they would just focus on the problem (healthcare is too expensive) and not trying to figure out a way to socialize it or provide it for everyone it would be so much better. That is my only complaint with healthcare, it costs too damn much.


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